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‘Umar ibn Al-Khattab & the morons of bani taghlib

21 Aug

Muslims are no-nonsense people who don’t worry about superficialities!

As-Salamu ‘Alaykum

The self-hating Islamite and liar from Yemen living in Abu Dhabi, who claims to be a pious scholar, was once engaging in “interfaith dialog” with those whom he calls his “brothers” and whose priests he addresses as “your holiness” – the christians – and he was fawning over his christian “brothers“.

The topic of jizyah came up, and embarrassed and ashamed to be Muslim, the self-hating Islamite submissively told his christian “brothers” that ‘the jizyah is not meant as a humiliation or penalty for being kafir, but rather it is just a tax and that our Master ‘Umar radzi Allahu ‘anhu even permitted the christians of bani taghlib to call it as ‘sadaqah’ (charity)‘. 

The self-hating Islamites work with lies, half-truths, distortions and abrogations. 

It is true that our Master ‘Umar radzi Allahu ‘anhu permitted such, and that in general as stated in the fiqh books, subject to discretion of the imam or ruler of Muslims, the dhimmis can be allowed to name it such.

However, this is what our Master ‘Umar radzi Allahu ‘anhu said about those christians, as narrated by many scholars in their books:

هَؤُلَاءِ حَمْقَاءُ رَضُوا بِالْمَعْنَى وَأَبَوْا عَنْ الِاسْمِ

Those morons agreed to the MEANING and were stuck on the NAME.

This below narration is with a slightly different spelling in Arabic:

هؤلاء حمقى رضوا بالمعنى وأبوا الاسم

You’d never see the self-hating Islamite from Yemen telling you that, would you?

It is true that jizyah-paying dhimmis are indeed protected by the Islamic state, and in many material dealings, they are treated at par to Muslims. It is forbidden to hurt them and oppress them or even backbite about them. However, this does not negate their humiliation and penalization as infidels either, like not being permitted to walk in the center of the street, or to stand up and make place when a Muslim enters, and so on. Our Master ‘Umar radzi Allahu ‘anhu did indeed permit them to name the jizyah as sadaqah upon their insistence, as did the fuqahaa of the 4 madhhabs following our Master ‘Umar. However, this change of name does not entail a change in the PRACTICAL LIFE & GROUND REALITY MANIFESTATIONS of the covenant of dhimmah.

Do note that there are no dhimmis in these times, as none of the Muslim leaders charge the jizyah. This is an abomination and acting contrary to the direct command of the Quran. In the same narration of ‘Umar’s negotiation with the morons, ‘Umar said this regarding the jizyah, REFUSING to waive it from them:

هذا فرض الله على المسلمين

Allah has OBLIGATED this [jizyah] upon Muslims.

(that is, obligated Muslims to charge jizyah to kafirs)

If a kafir is not a dhimmi, he’s a harbiy. See this post for further details on interactions between Muslims and dhimmis, and the various types of harbiyyeen. –> Click Here; and Click Here;

to read our Master ‘Umar’s pact of dhimmah with the christians of Syria, which is the basis of the 4 madhhabs’ laws for the ahl adh-dhimmah, Click Here

and Click Here for rules for kafirs on Muslim websites, forums etc.

Read our Master ‘Umar’s quote above regarding the morons again and enjoy your day. 

And Allah alone grants success.  

 

9 responses to “‘Umar ibn Al-Khattab & the morons of bani taghlib

  1. Muslim Answers

    August 21, 2014 at 7:27 am

    Salam alaykum,

    What would you reply to the following, which some people say: “By legally discriminating against different sections of society, treating women as minors and non-Muslims akin to blacks under Jim Crow laws, Islam shows that it cannot have anything to do with the modern world and the people who live in today’s world. From the late Ottoman times onward, the Muslims have come to realize this, which is why we have the proper scholars of Islam even trying to downplay the significance or even existence of many of normative orthodox Islam’s laws which regards to women, apostates, non-Muslims, etc.”

     
    • 'Abd-Allah al-Mujaddidi al-Naqshbandi

      August 21, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      Waleykum Salam

      This would be my answer to your query and those people, in three parts:

      Islam is Allah’s religion commanded to mankind. It has aspects of it that relate to the person only as well as aspects that are political and communal. In Islamic law, the Shari’ah, the religion and state are inseparable. The identity and citizenship is BY Islam in any Muslim state. While the kafirs pretending to be Muslim scholars would love to advocate the separation of religion and state, they have always failed miserably because they simply can’t erase Islam’s history and the corpus of tafsiir, hadith, fiqh, and other literature of the Islamic sciences that stipulates the details of how the Muslim state and how Muslim polity should be run.

      In short, the state, public policy, and politics are all one with religion.

      Secondly, Islam is made obligatory on mankind by its Creator. It is not an option.

      Thirdly, our Master RasulAllah ﷺ is the last and final messenger of Allah. The canonical law that he brought with him stands until the end of the world.

      With that established, firstly ask these fools – what is the meaning of ‘modern world’? It is just an idiotic slogan.

      What makes the ‘modern world’ any more special than the world of the past? Is ‘modern world’ just a euphemism to state ‘the present and current world’?

      The people of 1650 would have called their times as the ‘present’ and ‘modern’ relative to the people of the ‘olden’ times of 1550. Likewise, the people of 1950 would have said the same about the people of 1650. Time isn’t something static. Tomorrow will be ‘more modern’ than today, so to say. I’m not going into idiotic sophistry and philosophy here.

      The point is that “suitable for the modern world” is nothing other than a cheap and empty slogan shouted by those who themselves do not know what it means. Most importantly, WHO DECIDES WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THE MODERN WORLD OR NOT?

      Being Muslims, we bow our heads in submission to Allah. It is Allah’s commands and decree that establish what is acceptable or unacceptable for “the modern world.”

      Indeed at times, His canonical laws for His slaves to live their lives by – were abrogated – by His revelation and command to His Prophets – at yet other times they were not.

      Examples, Circumcision laws stand to this day, after it was canonized and commanded to our master and father Ibrahiim ‘alaihis salam. Marriage laws have variated slightly from the previous nations. In previous nations a man could marry two sisters at the same time. In our canonical law, it is forbidden for a man to marry two sisters at the same time. One has to die or be divorced before he can marry the other. In previous nations, there was no concept of tayammum. In our Shari’ah, we can do tayammum if we do not find water. And so on.

      Again, the canonical laws given to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ are the final laws and stand till the day of judgment.

      Will we accept the laws made by man, or the laws given by Allah?

      The first root cause of all these comments is that these fools don’t even know who is The One who gives the laws and who defines what is right and what is wrong!

      This is why, it is always futile to talk to kafirs about canonical laws and it is imperative to talk to them about the existence and Tawhiid of Allah. This will demonstrate to them just how incontestably silly and false they are when they cannot deny the existence or the Tawhiid of Allah.

      ————————————-

      Coming back to the state, public policy, and politics being one with religion AND

      the fact that identity and citizenship are BY religion:

      Comparing an Islamic state of the past and a “modern” country of today – be it a western nation, or a sub-standard present day Islamic country – is like comparing apples and oranges.

      In the “modern” world in general – BOTH the west/kafir nations, and the bid’ah-infested “modern” Muslim countries – identity and citizenship is by geopolitical borders.

      In Islam – our identity and citizenship is BY RELIGION – and this was the guiding principle of the Islamic states of the past.

      With that established – we need to address this point –

      What are the systems & procedures, and checks & balances that those in power and authority over “citizens” can put in place to make sure that they live in security and stability with those who are of an opposing citizenship and identity?

      Of course, those laws, systems, procedures, check and balances, like the laws for every other aspect of our life – are given by Allah & His Messenger.

      It is through these that we have a codified system of law regarding the ahl adh-dhimmah, the people of the pact of dhimmah. Note that the ahl adh-dhimmah are patently NOT a part of the ahl al-millah of Muslims.

      So now that we have separated the apples from the oranges –

      Ask these fools who argue based on ugly & satanic emotions, false premises, and ignorant, obscure & idiotic comparisons, the same question –

      What are the systems & procedures, and checks & balances that those in power and authority over “citizens”, can establish – in modern nation states – to make sure that they live in security and stability with those who are of an opposing citizenship and identity from that of the state?

      Can they participate in the political process of the state? Can they buy land, property or business anywhere they feel like? Can they be counted as equals to the citizens of the states? Yes in which matters, no in which matters? etc.

      You will see that the laws for the ahl adh-dhimmah are the most optimum to ensure stability and security for BOTH the state & its citizens AS WELL AS the ahl adh-dhimmah (the people of the pact) who are people of an opposing identity and nationality.

      It acknowledges the differences and offers the best solutions to PRACTICALLY dealing with them – much unlike the interfaith dialog kafirs of today pretending to be Muslims – who like to ‘celebrate what is common between us [superficially, like love of coffee], and ignore the differences [real & core differences like identity and citizenship]’.

      ————————————-

      Now coming to the actual quote –

      By legally discriminating against different sections of society

      There is no “legal discrimination” between different sections of society. There is a legal distinction between people of opposing citizenship & nations, and Islam is one nation and kufr another nation against it. Our laws are far more superior, practical, and accommodating than the laws of modern day citizenship-by-geopolitical-interests nation states and how they deal with people of opposing nations.

      treating women as minors

      If women were minors, they wouldn’t be accountable for their deeds in front of Allah or accountable and subject to the canonical laws of Islam in the Islamic state on earth.

      Again, Islamic law acknowledges the difference between men and women, their biology as well as psychology, and defines God-given optimum and practical guidelines for how best society functions.

      Men and women have different roles to play in society and different responsibilities towards society. Yes, men do have the role of leadership of women.

      What these kafir fools don’t understand is that this is not our authority over each other or responsibility to each other, rather this is a part of our worship to Allah. Whatever we do, it is because Allah has commanded us as such.

      It is for this very reason that it is a part of Islamic law that there is no disobedience to Allah in obedience to creation. It is obligatory on a woman to DISOBEY her husband if he asks her to violate an Islamic law.

      This establishes that these roles of leadership or followership are nothing other than a part of our worship to Allah alone and just doing what He commanded us to do.

      non-Muslims akin to blacks under Jim Crow laws

      Islam is the religion where Abu Bakr bought a black slave, Bilal, only to have him freed, and this freed black slave, going on to becoming the Prophet’s ﷺ beloved muadhdhin, and due to this, the same Abu Bakr addressing that same former slave as “Sayyidina Bilal” i.e., “Our Master Bilal” because of having earned the pleasure of Allah’s Messenger ﷺ. May Allah reward them both.

      The kafir uttering that is simply envious of the beauty of Islam. He thinks Islam is as ugly as the religion of his forefathers where people are superior or inferior by race, color, wealth, etc.

      In Islam,

      1 – Our identity, citizenship and nationality are BY RELIGION ONLY.

      2 – People are inferior or superior based on their deeds and how close they are to Allah and His Messenger ﷺ.

      Islam shows that it cannot have anything to do with the modern world and the people who live in today’s world

      Rather, a lot of the people in today’s world have shown that they are filthy, rotten, nasty hypocrites, and blithering morons – idiotically incapable to understand Islam at best – or defiantly evil at worst.

      When they propagate unnatural acts like homosexuality, wanton promiscuousness, and adultery, and yet have a problem with Islam’s Sunnah of polygyny, they prove that they are hypocrites.

      This is just from today’s news – all of the united kingdom is supposedly “shocked and appalled” at the beheading of the american journalist at the hands of the evil kharji terrorists from isis – yet, thousands of children have been disfigured by the terrorist nation of israel, and no one dared utter a cry of remorse.

      Biological weapons have been used against innocent citizens and the pictures of the victims are just as gruesome as the pictures of beheadings, yet we don’t hear the bastions of peace and democracy be appalled by the actions of their brothers and sisters. Abu Ghraib, Bagram, …. etc. the list of gruesome images and videos of the victims of carpet bombings, chemical warfare, prison torture, etc – EN MASSE – is endless. Yet the filthy, rotten hypocrites find it possible only to mention the actions of some jahil kharjis.

      Besides, who told these mala’iin that we want to be a part of “their world”?

      We take great pride in being Muslims. We don’t despair to find acceptance by the infidels. We seek acceptance with our Creator, His Messenger, and our Muslim brothers and sisters.

      Our conventions, norms, and mores, like our customs of hijab, or our shunning of alcohol, or indeed our capital punishment laws, or jizyah laws and so on, may be repellent to them.

      Their ugly, naked, promiscuous, drugged, stoned, and drunk – man-made cultures – are repellent to us.

      We don’t need to justify the laws of the Creator to morons who cannot even recognize and understand Him!

      We take the utmost pride in our Islam and our practice of it and are least bothered by what they think of us.

      From the late Ottoman times onward, the Muslims have come to realize this

      The only thing that the zanaadiq & hypocrites – the self-hating islamites – have come to realize is that they need to do more to find acceptance and good cheer with the infidels for both gaining material wealth, as well as doing away with the laws of of Islam bit by bit, and embracing their naked and satanic cultures.

      MUSLIMS haven’t been different – from the times of the Prophet ﷺ, until today.

      Also, if you observe properly, as and when the self hating islamites have made further progress, Islam has only been getting weaker and losing its grip on the reins of the world.

      which is why we have the proper scholars of Islam even trying to downplay the significance or even existence of many of normative orthodox Islam’s laws which regards to women, apostates, non-Muslims, etc.

      Which is why they are damned and cursed upon the tongue of the Prophet ﷺ and in the Quran.

      Which is why they neither attain this world nor the hereafter. In this world they are dogs on a leash with their tongues lolling out in front of their kafir masters, with no pride, dignity or self-respect, and in the hereafter they will be counted with the infidels.

      Which is why they also do not have any respect or worth in front of Muslims.

      Which is why the Quran severely dishonors them and utterly destroys the very fabric of their being.

      Which is why Muslims have nothing to do with them.

      They are not “proper scholars of Islam” – they are hypocrites and zanaadiq – self hating islamites – those who detest Islam and Muslims and are happier with the man-made culture of profanity and godlessness.

      Muslims representing authentic Islam may have become few in recent times, but they’re not extinct. Our Master RasulAllah ﷺ has given us the glad tidings of a group from the Muslims that shall ALWAYS be upon the truth and fearlessly preach it and help their brothers and sisters – against such vermin who seek to distort the message of Islam and water it down to make it equal to kufr and acceptable to their kafir masters’ sensibilities – and such people of of truth shall always be victorious – this shall carry on till the hour is established.

      I hope that adequately settles that, in-sha-Allah.

      Was-Salam.

      [EDIT-11/08/16: It was our master ‘Umar radzi Allahu ‘anhu who said our master Bilal as “Sayyidina Bilal” – “our master Bilal”. Apologize for the error in mentioning the matter.]

       
    • HS

      August 21, 2014 at 10:34 pm

      These scholars use wahhabism and salafism to downplay the islamic laws. I saw people without any shame calling anyone who says music is forbidden, shiites are apostates and similar “uncommon” and “extreme” positions as being wahhabi.

      I would like to ask you regarding the “Islamic State” as you mentioned them. We are aware that they are wahhabis with all the false ideas from tajsim to khariji tawhid to primitive understanding of fiqh and life. But from what I understand they have not done anything wrong with regards to the christians and yazidis. This in fact was the reason for the high attention in the West, the US intervention and also the statement of the cursed pope recently. However it was their duty as muslims (even though they are wahhabis) who rule over a land to impose the jizya on the christians and to force the yazidis to Islam since this is the opinion of the schools other than the hanafi one. They may have been rude like it is to be expected from unholy wahhabis but still not many islamic scholars dared to defend the concept of the jizya and the opinion of the non-hanafi schools of law regarding yazidis when adressing the subject.

      Please correct me if I am wrong. Barakallahu fik

       
      • 'Abd-Allah al-Mujaddidi al-Naqshbandi

        August 21, 2014 at 11:39 pm

        These scholars use wahhabism and salafism to downplay the islamic laws. I saw people without any shame calling anyone who says music is forbidden, shiites are apostates and similar “uncommon” and “extreme” positions as being wahhabi.

        Yes, this is a popular trick of the kafir sufis pretending to be Muslim:

        Cash in on the unpopularity of the wahabis with both the average Muslim, and the kafir media, and dump anything the kuffar find unpleasant on the wahabis. If any honest Muslim brings in authentic Islamic opinions, blackmail him by allegations of wahabism. The wahabis are wrong on many things like ‘aqiidah, and some aspects of fiqh.

        This however, neither means that EVERYTHING they say is false and unfounded in the Islamic sciences, nor that those who bring in authentic Islamic opinions should be dismissed by way of ad hominem and allegations of wahabism.

        Also, don’t forget that the jahil wahabis, for all their disassociation from madhhabs and classical scholars, simply don’t have a leg to stand on. They are helpless, and can’t but bring in the opinions of Ash’ari’s and Maturidis like ‘Ali Al-Qari, or An-Nawawiy or Al-Bayhaqiy, or others when they need to step in on the fiqh turf. They basically disagree only when the Ash’aris and Maturidis don’t comply with their diseased ‘aqiidah and usul of disrespect to Allah, His Messenger ﷺ, and the signs of Islam.

        The kafir media already says that strict adherence to the 5 daily prayers and niqab are ‘strict interpretations based on the puritanical wahabi school of thought’ and I suppose it won’t be long before the “moderates” and the kafir sufis too jump on that train!

        The solution is simple. Bring proofs from Ash’ari & Maturidi REAL Sufi classical scholars against the words of the fake Ash’aris and kafir sufis and prove them for the evil shayatiin that they are. Show them the REAL tasawwuf of Ash’ari & Maturidi Sufis like Imam Ghazali, Hasan Al-Basri, Junayd Al-Baghdadiy, ‘Abd Al-Qadir Al-Jeylani, Imam Rabbani, Salahuddin Ayyubi and so many more – who were neither jahil kharijis, nor subservient dogs to the kuffar – and prove these self-hating islamites as evil liars.

        I would like to ask you regarding the “Islamic State” as you mentioned them. We are aware that they are wahhabis with all the false ideas from tajsim to khariji tawhid to primitive understanding of fiqh and life.

        Whatever we are aware of – IS ONLY BASED ON WHAT THE KAFIR MEDIA FEEDS US.

        Unless and until you and I are present ON GROUND and witness a situation PERSONALLY – the media reports can be taken only with a pinch of salt.

        My point of mentioning the isis in the previous comment was – EVEN GOING BY THE KAFIR MEDIA’S REPORTS – EVEN THE JAHIL KHARJI TERRORISTS from Muslims haven’t committed as many crimes against humanity as THE KUFFAR’S OWN ADMINISTRATIONS & ARMIES.

        Even going by their reports, the body counts at the hands of jahil kharji terrorists like isis or al-qaeda are almost minimal compared to the body counts at the hands of their kafir brothers and sisters, and they are rotten hypocritical scoundrels for turning a blind eye to it.

        However it was their duty as muslims (even though they are wahhabis) who rule over a land to impose the jizya on the christians and to force the yazidis to Islam since this is the opinion of the schools other than the hanafi one.

        🙂

        The Hanafi & Maliki opinions are that jizyah can be imposed upon all kafirs except the Arab idolaters. The Arab idolaters will be forced with Islam or face the sword.

        The Shafi’iy and Hanbali opinions are that jizyah can ONLY be imposed upon the christians, jews, and magians, Arab or not. All people other than christians, jews, and magians will be forced with Islam or face the sword.

        They may have been rude like it is to be expected from unholy wahhabis but still not many islamic scholars dared to defend the concept of the jizya and the opinion of the non-hanafi schools of law regarding yazidis when adressing the subject.

        The self-hating islamites like the fake Shafi’iy from Yemen, simply can’t shoot themselves in the foot and lose their face in front of their christian “brothers” for defending the jizyah or for proudly stating the opinion of the Shafi’iy school of law. Get real!

        Again, please note that war is nothing but deception. All our analyses is only based on the media propaganda. Even outside of war times, media is a liar. During times of armed conflict, they are only that much greater liars. See this comment by an ex-cia operative to an indian newspaper, in 1994, a few years after the Afghan war ended:

        Says a former cia hand who tried to protest against the raising of these international fighters: “The whole thing was a game of bloodthirsty deceit. If the real history of how we ran the Afghan war is ever written you will know how much popularly believed history is pure bullshit.”

        Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-faced-only-a-fraction-of-the-growing-pan-islamic-might-ferocity-in-kashmir/1/293291.html

        It really is quite an insightful comment about how the Afghan war was operated by the kuffaar, and how the weapons and money poured in and who got them. There may be a similar situation at play in these times too. Allahu a’alam.

         
  2. Muslim Answers

    August 22, 2014 at 4:45 am

    Salam Alaykum,

    With respect to the ‘Yazidi’ issue, as mentioned above, the media reports have to be taken with considerable skepticism. I myself read and I am sure others did too, that the ‘refugees’ found were only a fraction of what had been propagated in the buildup to the military escalation.

    Anyway, one question brought up by non-Muslims (in addition to the previous ones) which I think needs an answer, is the following: “The Muslims on the one hand say that one as an individual Muslim should be convinced of the truth of Islam, while on the other hand, if any Muslims’ conclusions regarding these metaphysical truths is outside that of normative orthodox Islam, he is faced with the prospect of reprisals, banishment, even death. So which one is it: Independent personal conviction of the truth of Islam, or the saving of the body-politic?”

    Maybe you could give us your insights into this.

     
  3. 'Abd-Allah al-Mujaddidi al-Naqshbandi

    August 22, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Waleykum Salam

    The answer lies in the ahkam (rulings) derived in regards to the use of force. Wait a little bit please and this will come shortly.

     
    • Muslim Answers

      August 22, 2014 at 12:02 pm

      Salam Alaykum,

      One big subquestion/subcomment brought up by many people about this matter is: “Such an arrangement only promotes hypocrisy, since people who have genuine doubts are afraid to express them for fear of being punished, tortured, banished, or killed, and this undoubtedly leads to intellectual indolence on part of the Islamic polity.”

      Maybe this can also be considered in the midst of any answer given.

       
      • 'Abd-Allah al-Mujaddidi al-Naqshbandi

        August 22, 2014 at 1:14 pm

        Alhamdulillah for the great scholars of the Ahlus Sunnah. The answer to this is already given by our masters, the elders of the Ahlus Sunnah. It will be included in-sha-Allah.

        Actually, this question shows the ignorance of the jahils and the munaafiqeen pretending to be scholars of Islam. If they had read the books of our masters of the Ahlus Sunnah, they would have had no difficulties in putting these doubts to rest.

         
  4. Najumuddeen

    November 27, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    Assalamu A^laikum I love you for the sake of Allah.When I read your post it energizes me an increases my hateness towards these fake sufis and increases my love towards the real Sufi Tasawwuf scholars. I love reading your post.May Allah make it easy for you Aameen.

     

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